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		<title>Comment on Should Christians Drive Below the Speed Limit? by Debbie Baker</title>
		<link>http://offthewire.wordpress.com/2007/06/12/should-christians-drive-below-the-speed-limit/#comment-8241</link>
		<dc:creator>Debbie Baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 02:21:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Christians are obligated to keep the laws of the area where they are residents. The laws are in place to keep things orderly and peaceful. If a law seems ridiculous or out of date, citizens need to work with lawmakers to have them changed. No one has the right to just pick and choose what they will do. The bottom line is, are we trying to do our best the laws, or are we trying to give support to what we would rather do?

If a speed limit is posted, that is the legal limit a person may go. Police set their radars higher BECAUSE people do not obey and the  machine will be steadily going off... they have to set it higher to keep it from going off so much and to concentrate on those breaking the law at higher, more dangerous speeds. Rationalize all you want, but when you go above a limit, you have exceeded what is allowed, period. Every person knows whether or not they are trying to meet the limit, or if they are trying to "fudge a little".

I would expect the Christian to be the one obeying the speed limit even if no one else is... Aren't we obligated to be the best citizens we can be? The answer lies in what our motives are... to do what's right, or to do what is convenient or most pleasing to self.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christians are obligated to keep the laws of the area where they are residents. The laws are in place to keep things orderly and peaceful. If a law seems ridiculous or out of date, citizens need to work with lawmakers to have them changed. No one has the right to just pick and choose what they will do. The bottom line is, are we trying to do our best the laws, or are we trying to give support to what we would rather do?</p>
<p>If a speed limit is posted, that is the legal limit a person may go. Police set their radars higher BECAUSE people do not obey and the  machine will be steadily going off&#8230; they have to set it higher to keep it from going off so much and to concentrate on those breaking the law at higher, more dangerous speeds. Rationalize all you want, but when you go above a limit, you have exceeded what is allowed, period. Every person knows whether or not they are trying to meet the limit, or if they are trying to &#8220;fudge a little&#8221;.</p>
<p>I would expect the Christian to be the one obeying the speed limit even if no one else is&#8230; Aren&#8217;t we obligated to be the best citizens we can be? The answer lies in what our motives are&#8230; to do what&#8217;s right, or to do what is convenient or most pleasing to self.</p>
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		<title>Comment on A Great Encouragement to Stay-At-Home Moms by jason.vandorsten</title>
		<link>http://offthewire.wordpress.com/2008/06/24/a-great-encouragement-to-stay-at-home-moms/#comment-8239</link>
		<dc:creator>jason.vandorsten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 15:42:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good article - and a great reminder to me as the husband of a stay-at-home mom. Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good article - and a great reminder to me as the husband of a stay-at-home mom. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>Comment on S.L.E.D.ding Up the Hill of Good Argumentation in the Abortion Debate by Purify Your Bride &#187; Blog Archive &#187; More Politcs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Purify Your Bride &#187; Blog Archive &#187; More Politcs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 16:06:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] them because the Republicans don&#8217;t make them in public debates. Like the SLED argument found here. I have never seen a Democrat have to debate this in depth. We need to make them do [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] them because the Republicans don&#8217;t make them in public debates. Like the SLED argument found here. I have never seen a Democrat have to debate this in depth. We need to make them do [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Dwelling through the Text by Dwell Conference Download, pt. 6 :: nuance :: missional theology</title>
		<link>http://offthewire.wordpress.com/2008/05/20/dwelling-through-the-text/#comment-8233</link>
		<dc:creator>Dwell Conference Download, pt. 6 :: nuance :: missional theology</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 21:03:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] from Driscoll&#8217;s session. Thankfully, there are notes up all over the web, not least of which these over at Off the Wire. This talk was essentially a hop-skip through the book of Nehemiah as a model [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] from Driscoll&#8217;s session. Thankfully, there are notes up all over the web, not least of which these over at Off the Wire. This talk was essentially a hop-skip through the book of Nehemiah as a model [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Dwell Conference Summary by Books and Magazines Blog &#187; Archive &#187; Dwell Conference Summary</title>
		<link>http://offthewire.wordpress.com/2008/05/29/dwell-conference-summary/#comment-8231</link>
		<dc:creator>Books and Magazines Blog &#187; Archive &#187; Dwell Conference Summary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 10:47:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Dwell Conference Summary All the audio for the conference is now up. Here are my notes from the talks. Feel free to copy, paste, and edit as you listen. Pastoral Priorities: Watching Your Life &#38; Ministry (CJ Mahaney) Dwelling in the Kingdom Mission (Ed Stetzer) Dwelling Incarnationally (Eric Mason) Dwelling in the Text &#8230; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Dwell Conference Summary All the audio for the conference is now up. Here are my notes from the talks. Feel free to copy, paste, and edit as you listen. Pastoral Priorities: Watching Your Life &amp; Ministry (CJ Mahaney) Dwelling in the Kingdom Mission (Ed Stetzer) Dwelling Incarnationally (Eric Mason) Dwelling in the Text &#8230; [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Persuasion by Dwell Conference Summary &#171; Off The Wire</title>
		<link>http://offthewire.wordpress.com/2008/05/21/persuasion/#comment-8230</link>
		<dc:creator>Dwell Conference Summary &#171; Off The Wire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 14:37:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Persuasion (Tim Keller) [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Pastoral Priorities: Watching your life and ministry by Dwell Conference Summary &#171; Off The Wire</title>
		<link>http://offthewire.wordpress.com/2008/05/06/pastoral-priorities-watching-your-life-and-ministry/#comment-8229</link>
		<dc:creator>Dwell Conference Summary &#171; Off The Wire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 14:37:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Pastoral Priorities: Watching Your Life &#38; Ministry (CJ Mahaney) [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Dwelling in the Gospel by zach</title>
		<link>http://offthewire.wordpress.com/2008/05/19/dwelling-in-the-gospel/#comment-8227</link>
		<dc:creator>zach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 20:10:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I definitely found this to be the most inspiring session of the bunch. In a time of false antithesis between an easy/social gospel and a formulaic/law-, sin-, and hell-heavy/way-of-the-master type gospel, how refreshing is it to hear that the one gospel really can come in many forms! I think Keller's theological insight into the necessity of a gospel for the uncircumcised is critical to a full understanding of contextualization - it's not just about wearing cool clothes or having a good band. Reaching the lost is literally a "by any means" endeavor, including the means of adapting the gospel message to words and metaphors and themes that people can understand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I definitely found this to be the most inspiring session of the bunch. In a time of false antithesis between an easy/social gospel and a formulaic/law-, sin-, and hell-heavy/way-of-the-master type gospel, how refreshing is it to hear that the one gospel really can come in many forms! I think Keller&#8217;s theological insight into the necessity of a gospel for the uncircumcised is critical to a full understanding of contextualization - it&#8217;s not just about wearing cool clothes or having a good band. Reaching the lost is literally a &#8220;by any means&#8221; endeavor, including the means of adapting the gospel message to words and metaphors and themes that people can understand.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Persuasion by zach</title>
		<link>http://offthewire.wordpress.com/2008/05/21/persuasion/#comment-8226</link>
		<dc:creator>zach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 19:28:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dude, crazy notes! It was a sick conference for sure, thanks for the detailed recap. I'm just now getting some of mine up...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dude, crazy notes! It was a sick conference for sure, thanks for the detailed recap. I&#8217;m just now getting some of mine up&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Dwelling in the Text by Pete Wilson</title>
		<link>http://offthewire.wordpress.com/2008/05/13/dwelling-in-the-text/#comment-8221</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 11:27:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great notes. Thanks for sharing.</description>
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		<title>Comment on Should Christians Drive Below the Speed Limit? by Funny Guy</title>
		<link>http://offthewire.wordpress.com/2007/06/12/should-christians-drive-below-the-speed-limit/#comment-8220</link>
		<dc:creator>Funny Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 02:20:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear, dear, Christians, this topic is just too much!  You've got me laughing as I imagine slogans like "Drive 55?  What would Jesus do?"  ...then again, you've now got me wondering whether Jesus would cut off the Buddha when trying to make a lane change!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear, dear, Christians, this topic is just too much!  You&#8217;ve got me laughing as I imagine slogans like &#8220;Drive 55?  What would Jesus do?&#8221;  &#8230;then again, you&#8217;ve now got me wondering whether Jesus would cut off the Buddha when trying to make a lane change!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Dwell: The Opening by vandorsten</title>
		<link>http://offthewire.wordpress.com/2008/05/05/552/#comment-8219</link>
		<dc:creator>vandorsten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 19:33:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love me some slide guitar...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love me some slide guitar&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Dwell: The Opening by Devin Bell</title>
		<link>http://offthewire.wordpress.com/2008/05/05/552/#comment-8217</link>
		<dc:creator>Devin Bell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 01:48:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You didn't stay with Jimbo did you? No wonder he keeps calling me and wants to talk!
Seriously, I sure am glad you were able to attend and pray it was a great time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You didn&#8217;t stay with Jimbo did you? No wonder he keeps calling me and wants to talk!<br />
Seriously, I sure am glad you were able to attend and pray it was a great time.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Postmodernity by Nick Gill</title>
		<link>http://offthewire.wordpress.com/2006/08/30/postmodernity/#comment-8216</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Gill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 14:42:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Postmodernity, like most ideas coming from French rationalist schools of thought, claims FAR more than it can prove.

But once you peel away the screaming insanity of some of its self-contradictory claims, one can find an important and absolutely necessary critique of modernity.

Derrida's "incredulity toward metanarratives" is an important idea, as is the idea that metanarratives are often attempts to seize power.

If we can't see that the rampant modern worship at the altar of Science can be more completely explained by postmodernity than by modernity (which merely blesses whichever school of thought WINS the power battle), then we've got serious problems with our way of understanding the world.

"Two plus Two can equal five" is a linguistics game that no sane human actually believes in practice.

Postmodernity, ironically, does a great job of forcing people to be empirical with their claims. If the Gospel is really true (and not merely a claim to power), then those people claiming it to be true should possess lives transformed (in some measure) according to its truth claims.

in HIS love,
nick</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Postmodernity, like most ideas coming from French rationalist schools of thought, claims FAR more than it can prove.</p>
<p>But once you peel away the screaming insanity of some of its self-contradictory claims, one can find an important and absolutely necessary critique of modernity.</p>
<p>Derrida&#8217;s &#8220;incredulity toward metanarratives&#8221; is an important idea, as is the idea that metanarratives are often attempts to seize power.</p>
<p>If we can&#8217;t see that the rampant modern worship at the altar of Science can be more completely explained by postmodernity than by modernity (which merely blesses whichever school of thought WINS the power battle), then we&#8217;ve got serious problems with our way of understanding the world.</p>
<p>&#8220;Two plus Two can equal five&#8221; is a linguistics game that no sane human actually believes in practice.</p>
<p>Postmodernity, ironically, does a great job of forcing people to be empirical with their claims. If the Gospel is really true (and not merely a claim to power), then those people claiming it to be true should possess lives transformed (in some measure) according to its truth claims.</p>
<p>in HIS love,<br />
nick</p>
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		<title>Comment on Does An Atheist Morality Really Exist?? by Ubiquitous Che</title>
		<link>http://offthewire.wordpress.com/2006/01/13/does-an-atheist-morality-really-exist/#comment-8215</link>
		<dc:creator>Ubiquitous Che</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 03:50:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does atheist morality really exist?

Why yes.... Yes it does.

http://rhetoricsanspareil.wordpress.com/2008/04/27/the-model-for-the-enlightened-cognition-of-compassion/

It is from innate human compassion that all morality flows - not God.

I know I come over as very adverserial; I just don't shy from a strong position. I welcome - nay, I &lt;em&gt;insist upon&lt;/em&gt; - your critical analysis and discussion.

Have a nice day!

:D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does atheist morality really exist?</p>
<p>Why yes&#8230;. Yes it does.</p>
<p><a href="http://rhetoricsanspareil.wordpress.com/2008/04/27/the-model-for-the-enlightened-cognition-of-compassion/" rel="nofollow">http://rhetoricsanspareil.wordpress.com/2008/04/27/the-model-for-the-enlightened-cognition-of-compassion/</a></p>
<p>It is from innate human compassion that all morality flows - not God.</p>
<p>I know I come over as very adverserial; I just don&#8217;t shy from a strong position. I welcome - nay, I <em>insist upon</em> - your critical analysis and discussion.</p>
<p>Have a nice day!</p>
<p> <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>Comment on Text + Context by jason.vandorsten</title>
		<link>http://offthewire.wordpress.com/2008/04/12/text-context/#comment-8200</link>
		<dc:creator>jason.vandorsten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 14:11:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John - I hope you find them of much benefit. I'd be curious to hear what particularly stood out for you once you listen through them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John - I hope you find them of much benefit. I&#8217;d be curious to hear what particularly stood out for you once you listen through them.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Text + Context by John Majors</title>
		<link>http://offthewire.wordpress.com/2008/04/12/text-context/#comment-8199</link>
		<dc:creator>John Majors</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 03:47:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the tip.  Will enjoy listening to them all.</description>
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		<title>Comment on Art &#38; God (3) by seventwentyfour &#187; Off the Wire on Art</title>
		<link>http://offthewire.wordpress.com/2008/04/10/art-god-3/#comment-8198</link>
		<dc:creator>seventwentyfour &#187; Off the Wire on Art</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 19:34:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] - Along with the interview, I really enjoyed your thoughts on truth and beauty over at Off the [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Art &#38; God (3) by jason.vandorsten</title>
		<link>http://offthewire.wordpress.com/2008/04/10/art-god-3/#comment-8197</link>
		<dc:creator>jason.vandorsten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 11:53:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>j.hart,
"brief." haha - yes. thanks.

1.) I think the Renaissance is a prime example of that, yes.
2.) That, friend, is the question of the hour. How indeed? I think you see pockets of this sort of engagement here and there (for instance, I think of Mars Hill Church with the Paradox, which apparently had become a legit musical venue in the Seattle scene). The answer may not be the same across the board, in a methodological sense. I know how you &lt;i&gt;don't&lt;/i&gt; become a driving force, though: disengage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>j.hart,<br />
&#8220;brief.&#8221; haha - yes. thanks.</p>
<p>1.) I think the Renaissance is a prime example of that, yes.<br />
2.) That, friend, is the question of the hour. How indeed? I think you see pockets of this sort of engagement here and there (for instance, I think of Mars Hill Church with the Paradox, which apparently had become a legit musical venue in the Seattle scene). The answer may not be the same across the board, in a methodological sense. I know how you <i>don&#8217;t</i> become a driving force, though: disengage.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Art &#38; God (3) by jtrhart</title>
		<link>http://offthewire.wordpress.com/2008/04/10/art-god-3/#comment-8196</link>
		<dc:creator>jtrhart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 01:42:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason, I thought you said this was going to be a brief response...nice post.

I had a question. It seemed most of the art coming from the European Renaissance was highly influenced by the Roman Catholic Church. Was this the driving force you were talking about when you said the Church (I'm still confused with capital and lower case C's....) drove art and culture?

Actually, let's make that two questions. How can the church get back to being a driving force for art/culture?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason, I thought you said this was going to be a brief response&#8230;nice post.</p>
<p>I had a question. It seemed most of the art coming from the European Renaissance was highly influenced by the Roman Catholic Church. Was this the driving force you were talking about when you said the Church (I&#8217;m still confused with capital and lower case C&#8217;s&#8230;.) drove art and culture?</p>
<p>Actually, let&#8217;s make that two questions. How can the church get back to being a driving force for art/culture?</p>
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